This is according to Time Magazine.
Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush's footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel, the nondenominational church at Camp David.
Anyone surprised? The more things change, the more they stay the same. Wherever we are headed, it's for sure that we aren't lurching very far to the right or to the left.
Friday, July 03, 2009
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I know of a few AG churches he should visit before he makes his final decision!
Ruth, PA
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Wow, SLW. Apparently it's been a few hours since you prayed for him.:)
He ain't Nero.
Yes, he is, on the surface, moving to the left, but my point is that he is following the same basic trajectory we have been on for a long, long time. Thus, I would not call it a lurch.
Besides, he may be wrong, but he certainly is no idiot.
Your language is stronger than I'd prefer on this blog, particularly when we are told to "honor the king," but you have earned the right for a mulligan, SLW.
Placate is a word to be used for the actions of Obama here.
Sorry Paul, it was just a visceral reaction. I really do not like the guy or his policies. I deleted the original comment and will reframe it...
Not lurching to the left?!!!! The guy is a communist and un-American. I find it hard to sincerely pray for the man.
I suppose you're correct about the trajectory-- certainly so since FDR, anyhow. It's just shocking how quickly the missile actually hits and explodes when you've been mesmerized watching it arc through the air for so long.
Like "bombs bursting in air" ? SLW! ...LOL
Ruth, PA
A long time ago, when there was all the controversy about prayer in school, Spector said it for all to hear then:
I don't care what the people want, we have a direction that we are taking the country and we are going there....the missle has been a long time in the air!
Just more unitarianism.
Anon 12:15:
Interesting Specter quote. Can you find a reference for me?
Will Charlie Crist pull a Specter?
Interesting metaphor considering the North Korean missle threat...
I believe that we have been discussing for a while on this blog that nearly all of our presidents have belonged to essentially the same type of club (now multiple clubs including CFR, etc.). There really isn't a nickels worth of difference between their world views, so why would we expect their spiritual views to be different? To the general population Bush and Obama are the in the same category of "Christian" to begin with - American, liberal protestant (i.e. "muddy middle").
I will see if I can dig up the quote. It is from around the time of the vote to allow prayer in school in 1994. Specter
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
I had the sound byte on an older computer that crashed before I could copy it over.
Since the devil also goes to church on a regular basis, this is really no big deal to me.
Re: Charlie Crist, nothing would surprise me.
It suprises and offends me the way people talk about our Commander in Chief on this blog, and yet ... they will blindly support the military that he commands in whatever it does.
Anon 9:20,
I must admit it doesn't make sense to me either.
I thought of this word picture this morning...
Let's say that a huge Christian high school has a football stadium and a marching band. The band director was dearly loved by all.
One day I come to one of the practices. The band members are on the field in formation. The parents are standing at the fence line on the field cheering on their talented and committed kids.
They are playing, "When the Saints Go Marching In."
At some point, I decide to go up to the top of the stadium and see what they look like from up there. To my horror, I discover that the formation forms a deeply obscene expression. After blinking my eyes a few times and wondering if it's an accident or an actual decision (an evil joke of some kind) by the band director, I rush back to the edge of the field.
I shout, "Stop the music. This is obscene. I've seen it from up there. This is not glorifying to God. Please listen to me!"
At that point, everyone looks at me like I'm crazy. I try to not heap approbation directly on the band director, but very soon a few of the parents shout at me, "Support the band members. They have sacrificed so much. How dare you speak against them."
They then start chanting "We support the band; we support the band..."
After awhile, I wonder why I was allowed to see what I've seen. Maybe it's me. Maybe I imagined it.
Most people are relatively small picture people--focused on the immediate challenge before them. Others are called to be big picture people, and are often challenged by the small picture people as being out of step or uncompassionate. That's why there were relatively few prophets in the Bible. That's also why they were thought of as weird.
Okay, some of them really were weird.
Neither big or small picture people are better than the other. Just like the Body (1 Cor 12), we need them all.
Oh, btw, so there is a new band director now, but the formation looks roughly the same to me.
I haven't wanted my kids in the band since they lost the last great director in 1988! ;-)
Well now, I will concur with you on that SLW, the last great director left on January 20th, 1989 to be exact, and since then no one has even come close...with one in particular having never taken a music lesson in their life before assuming the position. Been sort of like freestyle jazz as of late, come to think of it.
I know what you mean, Deanna. Improv and noise are sometimes hard to tell apart! It's been nothing but burgeoning noise since January.
And that band director's greatest domestic policy achievement in 8 years was...
defeating communism and bankrupting the USSR?
Let's not forget the Romanian Christians when it comes to the breakup of the Soviet Union. Communism is still alive and well BTW, - you know, those Chinese who currently own our economy...
Reagan probably had his good points as a president. Let's also not forget that he wasn't a great example of a Christian, so don't get all messianic here. Nancy regularly was advised (and Ron in turn) by astrologers, and I believe that Ron participated in the currently vogue clubs for political movers and shakers.
If anyone gets any glory for the fall of the Soviet Union, and our present freedoms and prosperity(we're still relatively very prosperous) it is God and God alone.
Trinity and Cindy,
I do think Reagan's foreign policy achievements are worthy of discussion, but I asked for domestic policy achievements, the President's primary responsibility, according to the Constitution.
I was an accountant at the time of Reagan's early years, I'd have to say it was his tax policy.
Yeah... that tax policy really helped the wealthier quarter of Americans -- as George Bush called it "voodoo economics." That coupled with funding cuts for programs for struggling parents and children really was a government for "the people" - the average everyday people.
I wasn't in the upper brackets and it dropped my taxes like a rock.
Okay, so I'm hearing no one say any greater domestic achievement of RR in 8 years than reducing taxes (without shrinking the size of government as he promised to do, and thereby mushrooming the national debt). Yea, yea. I know. The Democrats broke their bargain, but RR signed 8 out of 8 deficit budgets presented to him, and which cabinet department did he discontinue in 8 years? Oh, I suppose it takes 9 years.
I'm not debating that Reagan may have been the greatest modern president. Really, really I'm not.
I'm just saying, if you couldn't name one thing on the social agenda, and that's the best you can come up with for a President who did that in his first year, and nothing bigger than that in the 7 years that followed, that's pretty pitiful.
And some of you still believe in the political process to produce great, positive change...
I have a bridge to sell you just north of Brooklyn. Let the bidding begin.
I just wanted to point out that the church that our two recent presidents share in common is also on a secure military base - back to the guns in church issue :).
It is my understanding that Obama has some pretty neat security, and I would imagine that having a president regularly attend any particular church would make for a sitting duck situation. This may not be a good reason, but a reason nonetheless.
It is indeed, Cindy, and probably a pretty good reason.
Apparently it took 6 months to figure that out, though.
Sorry about not capitalizing President - not intentional.
Maybe Obama isn't such a quick thinker after all :).
Paul,
You'll not get a lot of argument from me on your last comment. I loath politicians! The best thing to do with them is limit their time in office, and their power to do anything! It certainly wasn't worth the investment of the church's ethos to get politically involved in the 80's and 90's.
Sorry, that's loathe. Is it a sign of age (the older I get, the more typos I make); or maybe it's a sign of the age (typo and antetypo?)?
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